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PostSubject: Big Stack Perogative   Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:25 pm

PokerStars Home Game Hand #82195680222: {Drunk Tank} Tournament #575907464, 500+125+30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (250/500) - 2012/06/19 23:18:52 ET
Table '575907464 3' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: TrumpinJoe (19876 in chips)
Seat 2: 1timmy2121 (2150 in chips)
Seat 4: 11SCORPIUS11 (7465 in chips)
Seat 5: Grade b (21766 in chips)
Seat 6: !!!111Dan (6892 in chips)
Seat 8: effsea (11382 in chips)
Seat 9: Sinman64 (8469 in chips)
TrumpinJoe: posts the ante 60
1timmy2121: posts the ante 60
11SCORPIUS11: posts the ante 60
Grade b: posts the ante 60
!!!111Dan: posts the ante 60
effsea: posts the ante 60
Sinman64: posts the ante 60
Sinman64: posts small blind 250
TrumpinJoe: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TrumpinJoe [7h 2h]
11SCORPIUS11 said, "vgg Bray"
Grade b said, "tyu2"
Sinman64 said, "gg"
!!!111Dan said, "vgg b"
effsea said, "gg"
1timmy2121 said, "gg bray"
Grade b said, "gg"
1timmy2121: folds
11SCORPIUS11: folds
Grade b: folds
!!!111Dan: raises 850 to 1350
effsea: folds
!!!111Dan said, "man, lebron looks bad"
11SCORPIUS11 said, "tyvm Bray gg Girl"
1timmy2121 said, "great now i get to bubble gum"
Sinman64: folds
TrumpinJoe: calls 850
*** FLOP *** [3c Kh 2c]
TrumpinJoe: bets 2000
!!!111Dan said, "if you're leading, i guess i can let it go"
!!!111Dan: folds [Qc Qh]
Uncalled bet (2000) returned to TrumpinJoe
TrumpinJoe collected 3370 from pot
TrumpinJoe: doesn't show hand
Grade b said, "his a cat you can take him dan!!!!!!!!!!!"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3370 | Rake 0
Board [3c Kh 2c]
Seat 1: TrumpinJoe (big blind) collected (3370)
Seat 2: 1timmy2121 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 11SCORPIUS11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Grade b folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: !!!111Dan folded on the Flop
Seat 8: effsea (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Sinman64 (small blind) folded before Flop
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PostSubject: Re: Big Stack Perogative   Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:49 am

Thanks for post TJ
I would expect no less from a big stack blind and am 100% sure you would have made the same bet no matter what the flop. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Big Stack Perogative   Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:02 am

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PostSubject: Re: Big Stack Perogative   Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:01 am

Like the bet sizing on the flop bet Joe. Makes it look just like a K, that is trying to price out a flush draw.
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PostSubject: Re: Big Stack Perogative   Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:11 pm

IMO, Dan's bet on the flop was non committing so there was a potential for him to lay it down if a scare card hits the flop.

As JWK said the flop bet was exactly what I would have made with a K to deny a possible flush draw. So the story is complete. I could flat the pre-flop raise with a king and a broadway card and the flop bets continues the story.

For bluff to be workable you need an aware opponent in a non committing situation and your actions have be consistent on each street. Had Dan bet some more pre-flop (ie, made it 3.5 BB to go) it would look committing and I would fold. I haven't been unreasonable with anything I had shown down at this table so my image is intact. Although it should be well known that I can mix it up on occasion, I hadn't been previously at this table.

This is also an example of multi-level thinking where I am asking myself "what does my opponent think I have?"

Anyway I thought it would be instructional and I thank everyone for their comments.

Good Decisions!

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PostSubject: Re: Big Stack Perogative   Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:28 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Big Stack Perogative   Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:43 am

I very rarely vary my pre-flop raises. This is the same thing I'm raising with if I have AA.
My thinking was as you stated Tex..I'm trying to draw in some money. Once the flop comes and Joe leads out, with 10 BB and the chance to earn points still in the tank, I'm not looking to make a bad call/shove here. My notes on TJ actually were telling me to jam, but that mistake would be costly if this time he had it. It wasn't the toughest of lay-downs, and in retrospect, knowing that Joe was gonna turn 2 pair makes me look like a genius. Twisted Evil lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Big Stack Perogative   Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:08 am

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PostSubject: Re: Big Stack Perogative   Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:41 am

Well the sum of Jordans thoughts = sitting on the rail wondering how did he do that Question

I think Dan under estimated the end, Joe had peeked into Effs Cyrstal Ball and saw those two 7's rolling turn and river. affraid affraid Shocked Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Big Stack Perogative   Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:37 pm

Jellikit wrote:
I very rarely vary my pre-flop raises.
I once operated by that theory but have recently added some exceptions. I will open 3x most of the time with 2.5x and 3.5x thrown at a randomized intervals. Then I will add some situational exceptions. If the tables are loose passive I raise on the larger end more. On deep money I'll weight 2.5x heavier. On shallow money I may weight 3.5x more sometimes depending on the table and stacks especially if I'm a big stack pounding on a little one.

One of the plusses is it gets me more involved in reading pre-flop conditions. With a standard opening and a standard re-raise amount pre-flop had become too mechanical for me.

Just food for thought.

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