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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:03 am

I have found the Tank 1 to be one of the few/only? play money games where people play like it is real money, and certainly appreciate and value that aspect, as well as having some fun. I have learned much by playing tank games, and still have a ways to go... Smile I have noticed the absence of some tankers from when I started playing around a year ago, and would like to see them again. I would also hope that if the board is considering removing some tankers they would talk with them first to give them a chance to make any needed changes, just my thoughts on the matter. Like a Star @ heaven
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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:32 am

Okay let's make a couple of general rules. You can only play Pairs Or Related Numbers, we will call this P.O.R.N for short also I suggest playing Tight In Threeway Situations, we will refer to this as T.I.T.S. Now the object of this post is try and at least make 1 person smile and or titter(pardon me) and bring the Tank back to thr FUN side of life. Have a good day. Gate bounce bounce
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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:33 am

Phoenix Maya wrote:
I have found the Tank 1 to be one of the few/only? play money games where people play like it is real money, and certainly appreciate and value that aspect, as well as having some fun. I have noticed the absence of some tankers from when I started playing around a year ago, and would like to see them again.

I agree Maya for the most part. Unfortunately, there are some now that do NOT play like it's real money, and whenever they're called out for it by someone at their table, their continued replies are "I don't care" or "It's only play money". If the games ever get back to being serious poker games, then I'll start playing again.... but.... as long as there are a handfull of them that look at and play the games as a joke becuase they don't care or because it's play money, it's a waste of my time (or anyone else's time that would want to take the games seriously, like all of the original tankers did).
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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:03 am

Okay, those two statements imo are just not cool. Players SHOULD care, and it's NOT just play money. Players here DO take these games, and specifically, the TEAM aspects quite seriously. I know I don't sit here for 3,4, and sometimes 5 hours because I don't take it seriously, and I KNOW that most feel the same. If that is what has been said, it would definitely take the FUN away from some. If someone comments on a play being loose or fishy, the one being spoken to should be able to have better answers as to why they played a certain way.
I stand by my statements that bad play may be tolerated, because EVERYONE IS still learning, but not caring because it's play money, is something that probably shouldn't be accepted.

And GATE...yes, you did give me a titillating chuckle this morning. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:19 am

Is the board talking to that person or persons?

Look it's poker peeps......everyone plays...good and bad.

This is what really cash games are like...anyways...hiccup

But agree...that type of talk should not be allowed.....

simple.....deal with that person and carry on playing the game we all love.

Too say l'm taking my ball and going home is a bit much though.

I have forgotten the rules at times....think we all know that...hiccup

Trying to remember to think first before I shoot.....trying I said....lol

Anyways......board deal with that issue...and wait for the next one to come......

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:38 am

ok.....just a bit more on this....hiccup

90% of the tank plays the right way....hiccup

What other home club out there you going to find wheres everyone knows the game?...hiccup

That may be hard to do....you think?

You can always start your own club and let the chosen in only......but wait.....thats what the tank does,

They find away in...how do you say no to a member wanting someone in?

I'm pretty sure there is no atc/donks in the pso home club...btw....lol

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:58 am

hiccup...

Lets chat a bit.........

The tank was started for friends to get togetter to play poker and have a bit of fun with each other....

Fun does not mean winning...so when my 27o takes you out...laugh

All kinds of play are allowed....just like the real world....hiccup

Like I have said before....I have forgotten the rules at times.

Who I think is a donk, and who you think is a donk...may be two different peeps also...btw

Think I started to go on again......

So anyways.....lets deal with it...and get back to having fun again,

if not.....eff off...hiccup..lol

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:13 am

WOW had I known my request would cause all of this to happen I never would have made it, for this I apologise.

I would like to say a few words... being apart of the "6 month club" I'm not sure if any of it will count or if any of it will matter to anyone but because it was my request that started all of this to begin with well I felt I should. I will say also that I was a member of Tank 2 before this time and I did play the same there as I do here. I do play hands in the tanks cash or playchip versions that I do not play elsewhere, these are "The tank hands". Playing these hands have taught me a great deal about poker to be honest. It has taught me how to bluff and how to open my range a bit (which before was on the nitty side) in all games, now I am braver in all games and play a wider range. Also it has taught me how to read a wider range which is extremely helpful in all games. I love playing with all you great people, I have alot of fun here and have learned alot ... I must say I have learned more from the wider range players than I have the tighter players. There are all styles of poker not just TAG (including and especially by PROs). If we all played TAG and by the book then everyone could read everyone else, how would we ever gain chips, how would we ever win and how would the game ever end??? Should the winner always be left up to the electronic dealer?? If all you can play is TAG and all you can read is TAG players then when you encounter a LAG he/she is going to fleece you. Whenever you play the same people over and over you can get a good read on them and your play against these players should reflect your read. As for good and bad play I have no problem playing against a bad player where else am I going to get my chips? I have to say that if you think of yourself as a good player and you cannot beat a bad player with your good skills then that is noone's fault, either it's bad luck or you aren't as good a player as you think you are. As for people playing 80% of their hands, while I have not done the calculations I have seen some players playing alot of their hands and it says to me as it should to you as well "Free Chips". I'm not sure if the OT (original tank) was started in pokerstars but if so then some of these players playing alot of their hands are in fact OTers. And a challenge to play day in and day out, from which I have learned alot as well as being great people, that in my opinion add alot to the tank!! If you think there is a bad player then you should try to help them NOT kick them out, in my opinion. I have not seen 1 single member of the tanks shoving every single hand every single game, this would not be fun, I agree. But at the same time, pretty easy to beat... Also must say that sometimes (especially after pressure by other players namecalling and/or tearing apart my plays) I will nit up to the point that once I realise I'm in trouble I'm so short that my only option (stack vs blinds) is to shove. This is my fault and I sure do hope that by shove monkeys someone doesnt mean a short stack shove, because if so then I am 100% guilty. Let me just say again, I do not know of a single member that does not care about the tank and it's members and is not here to have fun. I certainly never would put my arse on the line for someone with malicious intent, and it is painful to know that anyone thinks I would.

As for bad behaviour... If a member is being rude, name calling, acting out of anger in the game against other players this is definitely not cool. Someone should speak with them such as the board and or a board member and let them know this cannot continue as it does take the fun out of the game for all. I can say I have seen this behaviour usually after a bad beat but not always, and I do not think it is right nor cool.

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Howdy Folks,

I am not talking to one here....all of us tankers,

I think at times we have forgotten what the tank is all about,

Fun 1st. and poker 2nd.

Now that being said............respect all that play in the tank,

That means at the tables and where ever you may meet.

We are all different and play that way also,

things to say at the tables,

gg,nh,well done...........why are you not wearing pants?

what not to say,

effin donk, you effin luckbox etc.

you know what I mean....hiccup

But really peeps....please respect all that are in the tank,

It is a tank rule peeps

cheers all



Until recently I have always had fun in the tank, not so much anymore. This post by effsea is what I was told I was joining, If I am wrong and I sure seem to be from the looks of things I don't want to be here anymore. I will continue the month out with the Funny Farm if I am allowed to stay. Thank you all for your time.

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:24 am

My bad honney...hiccup

I let things get out of hand, but hoping to change that...hiccup

We have a big group here, and we are not always going to see the same ways at times.

All we can do is deal with them when they come up and not tilt.

Hopefully back to fun and drinking

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:13 pm

effsea wrote:
My bad honney...hiccup

I let things get out of hand, but hoping to change that...hiccup

We have a big group here, and we are not always going to see the same ways at times.

All we can do is deal with them when they come up and not tilt.

Hopefully back to fun and drinking

cheers all

I love you Eff no need for you to apologise, from where I'm sitting it isn't you who is trying to disturb the tank nor the fun. It was you that invited me to Tank 2 and I never had a bad day there. Then you, Jordan and later Tim that invited me to Tank 1 I did hesitate at first because I wasn't sure with my real life problems if I would be able to commit as much time to the Tank as I should and because of the unknown - the players I did not know. But I was sure it was the same as Tank2 and that I would have fun and it would be a unique experience. As for learning poker yes PSO does have many tools available and they also have their own HG, if that was all I was in the Tank to do well that wouldn't make much sense imo, not that I dont take the game seriously, I certainly do, and not that I havent learned alot here as I stated before I truly have and am very thankful for it. But it was for the fun (poker related or not), and the friendship that I joined, and that truly is ALL that matters to me. I love you

I do want to thank you all because even if you did not know it, I have been and am still going through some really hard times and you all have helped me even if it was just taking my mind off of it all. Special thanks to Bonnie, love you girl I love you

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:56 pm

Why can't we just all get along?? Sad

OK with that said; beezzzz hang tight, make no decisons yet, please?? Can we all take a deep breath, relax and enjoy the game??

As per my earlier post; I have learned a lot in the tank and made great friends and hate that there is disharmony.....but like typical families, things happen, things are said and we just have to weather through it, right?? Question Question

All will be well; like my dad always tells me "100 years from now it won't make a difference".......I try to remember that in all things. Laughing

Luv u guys!!

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:25 pm

Brayleegirl wrote:
Why can't we just all get along?? Sad

OK with that said; beezzzz hang tight, make no decisons yet, please?? Can we all take a deep breath, relax and enjoy the game??

As per my earlier post; I have learned a lot in the tank and made great friends and hate that there is disharmony.....but like typical families, things happen, things are said and we just have to weather through it, right?? Question Question

All will be well; like my dad always tells me "100 years from now it won't make a difference".......I try to remember that in all things. Laughing

Luv u guys!!

Kathy flower

I agree with this 100% Please don't anyone make any harsh decisions yet.

I can tell you all that the board is working on this issue. Some of the board members are out of pocket right now and we are waiting to hear from them. Please everyone try to keep calm and support your club and your team members until we get this resolved.

PS to Braylee: As a Dad I have used that quote many times myself.
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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:33 pm

I whole heartedly agree with JO and Bray, lets just all take some time and yes use the hundred year rule, it has a way of bringing things into perspective.

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:38 pm

this is just my opinion . be it right or wrong .. in somes eyes
..we as eff said have different views .. i respect that ..

i came to the tank to learn and hAVE fun too .. but i have noticed a change over the past couple months ..
i also was told .. respect others .. but that has not always been the case .
i have always tried to be polite . . if i have failed in that at any time to anyone . i apologize ..to any ..and all

maybe i misunderstood but not only is the tank to have FUN .. learn .... meet some great ppl . socialize
but to improve our poker play ???????????? not take sides .not to gang up on anyone ..
not to donk around because its play money but to play the game as a real cash game would be played ...seriously..
i also dont sit there for hours just for something to do .. i do it for good competition ./yes the great ppl .. /
yes some socializing but .
play money or not .. i wanna win .. just as any where else .. and those that come just to disrupt that well
maybe they shld look to another hg .. if they are not happy here ..
... i am greatful for the time and effort yu all put into helping us/and me/ become better players ... tysvm for that ..

fun and friendship is always good but we are also here to play good poker .. or so i was told ... scratch

all that being said i do agree that maybe the board shld ask or tell whomever it is that is not liveing up to
the tank rules exactly what the problem .is and then give them the option to correct it or
resign the tank .... .. and if it doesnt improve then do what has to be done ...
but again .. its just my opinion...





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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:45 pm

Everyone grab a drink and relax.....hiccup

I started this club to be fun 1st and poker 2nd,

Yes in that order.

Rules

#1 - Fun

Come out and play your game, talk to friends, tell a joke, call my 27o shove, lol about losing to it, don't tilt, don't say I'm on my way over to kill you, etc.

#2 - Play your best

Whatever your style, or skill level...do your best...thats all

In the event that you cannot follow these simple rules.....

The board will deal with it.

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:13 pm

well i gess i dont see rule 1 iv tolt players to fluck off donks wot the fluck wos that you dont give a shit . i think i only see rule 2 mabe thats wear im getting it rong. but i do think its time to go my own way. been a blast buzz.
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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:25 pm

hey...maybe we can do a club vs club game Wink

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:59 pm

Yes eff rule 1 have fun.

We startd ihe tank with our own $'s to buy in.
so i think everybody, pretty well came with the intent of putting their best game forward.

The fun and the jokes and the good time, didn't just happen, they developed over time.

IMO: After Black Friday, the tank was maintained first and foremost for the poker stars and pso players from the US and the rest of the still cash permissable world to keep in touch and play poker as if it were still our own $'s getting us into the game.

and how can you have fun when you don't have a nekked drunk stroking your fur Smile


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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:01 pm

Barring the short stack where all-in or fold is proper play, there are two types of players I've run into playing all-in almost every hand. One type really doesn't care and wishes to aggravate others. The second type (which I have done a few times) is the one trying to tilt a table and make for easy pickings. The poker virtue of patience, as much as your stack will allow that is, is the best way to face both of them. They are playing way less than optimally so there chips are there for the taking in the right circumstances. Since they play too many hands they present plenty of opportunities. My biggest gripe is when someone else gets their stack before I do.

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:32 pm

Ok just trying to catch up and see there is trouble in paridise.
The board is working on what all have noticed as a true problem
and I will save most of my comments for there. Most of you know
I am a str8 shooter and will voice a opinion that is well thought out
and foremost will preserve the integrity of the tank. It is a big family
and as such will always have complex issues. I am not a original tanker
but like most of you came here to learn poker and have fun. I for one
had tons to learn, and still do, but have always had a goal of learning
as a prequisite to my time in the tank. Meeting some really good peeps,
making friends and having fun was all bonus. We do have players of
differing styles and different stages of developement but seeing
some of our more advanced players leaving or cutting back on
when they play tells me the chemistry of the Tank is out of balance.
We are all learning but that is the key, you have to be willing to
learn as well as have fun, if you can't do BOTH then
you are really not a TANKER and that privilege
should be suspended or revoked. I in no way I'm skilled enough
to tell anyone how to play but I am smart enough to know those
that need alittle talking to. enough for now
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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:49 am

There's no need to kick me to the kerb for "sub standard" poker I have resigned from the Tank. Now I did this about a week ago so it has nothing to do with anything said on here. My Issues are not connected to the Tank. Have Fun.....and play well. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:02 am

gatehouse999 wrote:
There's no need to kick me to the kerb for "sub standard" poker I have resigned from the Tank. Now I did this about a week ago so it has nothing to do with anything said on here. My Issues are not connected to the Tank. Have Fun.....and play well. Very Happy



Awwwww Gate not you too??? Buzzy, Timmy, Gate; what is this world (tank world Shocked ) coming too?? Sad No

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:58 pm

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Okay, those two statements imo are just not cool. Players SHOULD care, and it's NOT just play money. Players here DO take these games, and specifically, the TEAM aspects quite seriously. I know I don't sit here for 3,4, and sometimes 5 hours because I don't take it seriously, and I KNOW that most feel the same. If that is what has been said, it would definitely take the FUN away from some. If someone comments on a play being loose or fishy, the one being spoken to should be able to have better answers as to why they played a certain way. I stand by my statements that bad play may be tolerated, because EVERYONE IS still learning, but not caring because it's play money, is something that probably shouldn't be accepted.
And GATE...yes, you did give me a titillating chuckle this morning. lol!

I have a few comments here also... >>> I agree 100% with everything in green Dano. I do have a few questions though. Who were these players? Were they talked to, could it be they were kidding (not a good joke, I agree), or were they given a chance to apologise for saying this or rescind their comments ? Also, Does someone have the hand histories for this, or is it just hear-say? <<<

As for the red bit >>> Well I disagree for a couple of reasons. The first because if a player makes a comment saying this was fishy and/or loose, well imo they are tearing the other player down, not trying to help them. What is the other player hoping to accomplish by saying this? It doesn't inspire good feelings nor make a good opening to discuss the hand in question. So if it is to point out or make sense of a bad play, maybe it should be taken to the hand analyser instead, I mean that's why it's there right? If the player is trying to help the other player it doesn't help to build good on top of bad that's like building the most solid building on top of a swamp.. if you catch my meaning.
The second... Why should a player ever tell another player their reasoning or strategy behind a play or a hand choice? IF we are playing as we would in real cash (which I am), I shouldn't tell nor suggest any of you to tell your strategy same as you shouldn't show your cards unless you are trying for a direct effect (I am guilty of both sometimes, and it's something I have learned and I am working on). As in cash games if someone comments my play I laugh at them or ignore them entirely. Unless I get tilted, which is NOT good, and probably what the other player was hoping for by making said comment! lol. In order to read me you have to figure that part out on your own and adjust your play accordingly. Reading players is a skill you either have or have to develop being a poker player, and let me say, hand analysis sections help with that aspect if you can't figure it out on your own, and not just by reviewing your own hands but also reading the analysis of others. If you were playing at a live cash table, would you yell out "I was drawing because you gave me the odds to do so... It's my favourite hand!... I played it because you are so tight/loose." I know I wouldn't. Anyhow just my opinion. <<<

Now.. the yellow bit, >>> the fun Laughing DITTO! and LOL @ your choice of words, good 1 Dano! <<<

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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:26 pm

I hear ya.
Look, on the comments, this game has a way of hitting deep sometimes. Those comments are usually off the cuff when someone takes a bad (or horrendous) beat. I've even seen a couple other players who weren't involved speak up on occasion. Hell, Trap has called me out a time or two...and I'm okay with that. It surely doesn't mean that the one speaking doesn't like or respect the one they're questioning or criticizing. It most of the time is that automatic valve release for the pressure building. Wink

When I say they should have a better answer, I don't mean they need to explain their reasoning, though I have with Trap on the instances I mentioned, and I pretty much would to anyone. I just mean that they shouldn't say they don't care because it's play money. Say nothing, explain your reasoning, tell them to quit whining....whatever...just don't say you don't care.
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PostSubject: Re: New Member rule board etc   Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:54 pm

Jellikit wrote:
I hear ya.
Look, on the comments, this game has a way of hitting deep sometimes. Those comments are usually off the cuff when someone takes a bad (or horrendous) beat. I've even seen a couple other players who weren't involved speak up on occasion. Hell, Trap has called me out a time or two...and I'm okay with that. It surely doesn't mean that the one speaking doesn't like or respect the one they're questioning or criticizing. It most of the time is that automatic valve release for the pressure building. Wink

When I say they should have a better answer, I don't mean they need to explain their reasoning, though I have with Trap on the instances I mentioned, and I pretty much would to anyone. I just mean that they shouldn't say they don't care because it's play money. Say nothing, explain your reasoning, tell them to quit whining....whatever...just don't say you don't care.

This makes sense Smile I am guilty of all of the above, can't say I'm not Embarassed It is something that I struggle with though especially being I have an enormous mouth! affraid lol I thought maybe I could help others by saying what I did, also thought it would be a good topic to discuss. I definitely wasn't trying to tear apart your post nor your views. I think you're great Dano, just so you know Smile

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