Club vs Club

Guess I can throw out a thought or two on the subject.
First...major props to the final table and particularly Braylee for a terrific game, and of course, our undisputed champ last night, mtnestegg. Cyclops had just a great night. He came from behind in one hand, but that's poker. And, he had a lot of outs w/ a set on the flop, he had the chips to call, and his ship (boat) came in.
Congrats to all the tankers on a job well done!

With that, I personally was a little disappointed with how some of us behaved. The fine folks that run this club specifically asked that we handle ourselves w/ class and dignity, and imo, we fell slightly short in this department. But JUST SLIGHTLY! The thing to me is, I had a feeling that we were on a winning night for our club, and I just didn't see the need for it, regardless of how we were doing. But winning, and accusing them of cheating...well, I'd be surprised if THEY want to play the rubber game w/ us.
I have to say, on the hand that JW provided, I can see the argument that Joker(Sofa) makes in why the player folded. I've done it before. If that player is semi-bluffing on a flush draw all the way, well why show that to everyone at the showdown? Now I didn't observe any table but mine until I was out, so I can't comment on other plays, but this hand really doesn't prove anything, so we just can't say for certain that it was a chip dump. To me, a chip dump is much more obvious than this, perhaps the other one described in this thread fits the bill better, but without all the info, we can't make that call either. Accusing people openly of cheating is a BIG DEAL in poker...facts MUST be 100% before doing this, not 99.

Now what Texasduke says here definitely has some merit.
Let me just ask, and really, be honest with yourself...if one of our teammates last night put in an early raise, how many of us may have folded a hand or two that we POSSIBLY would have made a call with in the drunk tank? I'm not saying everyone did...I really wouldn't know, but I will admit that in a heartbeat. And I have to say that I felt that it happened to me a few times. Some of you will call me down a lot more often then what I perceived you did in these club v. club games.
And to me, THAT'S OKAY! As long as it isn't rampant. I remember one hand where Maya min-raised early, I was in BB and it folded to me w/ 87s so I decided to call. This really isn't something this nit is going to do a lot, but the gut said go, so I did. The flop came 87 (2, I think) and I checked. She put a c-bet out and I raised. Now, as you see, this isn't something we would do in soft-playing. I make this point to say that, while I may fold a few more hands than normal to my teammates in a tourney like this, I just don't let the "easy on my teammates" philosophy be the norm. Besides that, I know my teammates usually have better holdings than them.
With all this, I definitely understand Tex's point, and even sympathize a little with it. But if I have the chance to double up through my team, and if you lead the betting the whole way or make bad calls, well...., I'm afraid that that IS going to happen.

I say, if they wan't the tie-breaker, bring it on!
We've obviously gained the info and knowledge on how their club plays and how to beat them, so to beat the soft-playing nancies in the rub, would feel even a little better than last nights win, which was FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!!!!!

You all know I have mad respect for each and every one of you, and I am so grateful to JO and Eff for giving us the best place to play, and write about, poker that we can find, so I only post this in asking each of us to be a little introspective about last night. We'll only get better this way.
Dano